Originally Posted by rstrats
Originally Posted by Pilgrim
re: "It also appears that you hold the position that belief is something done unconsciously. Would that be your position?"
Since I have beliefs, and since I have not consciously engendered them, I would quess that they have come about through some subconscious process.
I would dispute your claim that you have embraced beliefs which you have not done so consciously. Why? Because the incontrovertible truth is that ALL belief is an exercise of the will (choice) which is the result of one intellectually knowing facts and/or the affections being attracted to those facts or ideas. Your conscience is involved whether you think they are or not.

IF your view is correct, then no one is responsible for what they choose to believe because they would be the result of something outside of themselves... which would be what? Neither God nor Satan nor any of his minions 'believes' for anyone. The belief is something the individual does, again based upon knowledge and/or affections. One doesn't think unconsciously. And certainly an affinity to something stemming from personal affection/desire is something everyone is conscious of.

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