Originally Posted by rstrats
Originally Posted by Pilgrim
Am I missing something here?
Yes, because you're talking about choosing to take physical actions, e.g., using cocaine whereas I'm talking about the conscious engendering of new beliefs.
Hmmm, I thought I had made this very clear. EVERY movement of the will, aka: choice, whether physical or intellectual (belief) is a conscious act. Believing upon Christ unto justification is a most conscious act/choice for it is preceded by a conviction of sin. One's entire being; intellect, affections and will are involved, which is fiduciary, a matter of deliberate trust. The regeneration of the Spirit which enables and brings a person to that point is sovereign, silent and secret, i.e., the regeneration itself is non-experiential, but the results of it are most realized. It isn't the case that one hates God and all that is good and has no interest whatsoever in 'being saved' (reconciled to an angry God, having all one's sins remitted on the basis of the Lord Christ's vicarious substitutionary atonement, and living a life of holiness) and suddenly without any conscious perception desire and act upon those things having embraced the verity and necessity of them.

Now, what exactly is the point you are trying to make? scratch1


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