Water Baptism as Essential to Salvation

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Re: Water Baptism as Essential to Salvation Robin #44771 Sat Jun 19, 2010 10:41 PM
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Tom Needs to get a Life Joined: Apr 2001 Posts: 4,893 Likes: 49 Kelowna, British Columbia, Can...	Good aticle Tom

Re: Water Baptism as Essential to Salvation Renat Ilyasov #44914 Sat Jul 24, 2010 12:38 PM
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patricius79 Journeyman Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 48 U.S.A.	Originally Posted by Renat Ilyasov well, IMHO, there is nothing wrong with duties and even mandatory rites (as Christian Baptism is) per se. It is when our obedience begins to be viewed as meritorious or, in any other way contributing to perfection of Christ's perfect cross-work, only then, 'duty' becomes a deadly term. Is not baptism is part of the grace of Christ's work, just like the preaching and Bible-printing by which men are saved? "faith comes from what is heard"

Re: Water Baptism as Essential to Salvation patricius79 #44916 Sun Jul 25, 2010 6:03 AM
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Renat Ilyasov Newbie Joined: Jun 2010 Posts: 34 Moscow Region, Russian Federat...	Quote Is not baptism a part of the grace of Christ's work, just like the preaching and Bible-printing by which men are saved? Yes, the Baptism wherewith Christ baptizes His people is a part of His grace to us and a blessed fruit of His work: "Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you" (Ez.36:25). But the clean water wherewith He shall sprinkle His people is NOT H2O, but His Spirit: "...He shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and [with] fire" (Mt.3:11). But the Spirit, as the wind, "bloweth where it listeth", that is, it is not subject to priestly craft to produce regeneration according to man's pleasure(see Jn.3:8). The true Baptism indeed saves those to whom it is applied by God, as He wills, but not by "putting away of the filth of the flesh (as is the usual effect of application of H2O), but [by producing of] the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ" (1Pe.3:21). For the truth's sake, which dwelleth in us, and shall be with us for ever (2Jn.1:2).

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